tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3639725200235762356.post6435909549344439924..comments2023-02-13T06:17:47.419-08:00Comments on Ramblings of a Gentleman Gamer: Thieves, How Should They Work?Doctor Apocalypsehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06002801879387232554noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3639725200235762356.post-58207911574797996082008-10-02T19:11:00.000-07:002008-10-02T19:11:00.000-07:00A solid point, and I think it articulates why I am...A solid point, and I think it articulates why I am averse to the elimination of the thief class.<BR/><BR/>I believe the reasoning is that <I>everyone</I> should be able to search for and disarm traps, sneak, and so forth and these things should either be role-played ("I search the base of the statuette, looking for any protrusions or oddities...") or given an ad hoc chance for success ("OK, you're moving quietly, so your chance for surprise is 4 in 6, rather than 2 in 6...").<BR/><BR/>Whilst this sort of thing can be fun, it can also lead to a certain level of frustration...Doctor Apocalypsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06002801879387232554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3639725200235762356.post-420634571971527412008-10-01T12:36:00.000-07:002008-10-01T12:36:00.000-07:00Just a random comment here...I find the idea of th...Just a random comment here...I find the idea of the player being challenged instead of the character...as an opposition to the thief class...to be a weak argument.<BR/> No one's asking the fighter's player to beat the DM in a fight (unless the DM's a jerk), no one at the table is throwing actual spells (presumably), and no one needs the cleric's player to have EMT training (unless the fighter player gets carried away). The idea IS that the characters are being challenged in the game, that's much of the point and purpose of role-playing...to play as someone else and do the things that one can not normally do and watch them respond to the challenges in the game.<BR/> Lest someone take my point to the extreme, I would like to point out that the players are (and should be) challenged throughout the game. They have to make the decisions for their characters at all times, and often they'll encounter something which they can't get out of with a fireball or a lockpicking roll, such as a riddle or even the simple question, "Should we drink from the magical fountain?" All of their choices and decisions have consequences for their character.<BR/> But when confronted with something as simple as a locked door or as complicated as a dungeon built by Tremblar the Trapper, Mad Half-Gnome Half-Penguin Engineer apprenticed to Lum the Mad...player decision making can only carry so far and at that point, it's good to have a character with some expertise in the field...just as the fighter's expertise is in fighting.<BR/> Ultimate this argument against the thief sounds a lot like the argument against the assassin; anybody can be a murderer, you don't need a class for it. But the honorable gentleman in charge of this blog has addressed that to good effect elsewhere.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com